SyntaxHeir

Not sure if this has been brought up yet but what do the resisdent Arizonians ( or others) think of the new immigration policy?

I haven't read anything on it and I only know what I hear in the news which, I think is less than trustworthy.

My primary issue with it is it requires too much speculation on the part of police officers and has potential to be abused by bigoted authorities.

BTW Hi everyone! Long time!

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Daremo

The overwhelming majority of Arizona residents support it. Every day we hear of a drop house where dozens of illegal immigrants are held. These poor souls are held by the smugglers until someone can pay their fee for bringing them to the US. Murders and violence accompany these drop houses. Sometimes the residents must slave, steal or prostitute for the smuggler until he's paid. They kill the ones who can't/won't pay.

If, as the Director of homeland defense says, the border patrol is winning the war - we don't see it. The border is as open as a main street. Hundreds come across daily.

The drug smugglers are also a treat. With wide open access they bring in drugs and violence.

The idea is not to harass legal immigrants, but to find the undocumented ones. If a person has any legal ID they're presumed to be legal. If any person is stopped by the police, including me and you, we're asked to provide proper ID. The only difference is that illegals have no such ID. Since I, and every other citizen, are asked to provide ID, why the furor over asking the illegals as well?


Since the law was passed the Mexican consulate in Phoenix is filled with illegal immigrants getting mexican dual citizenship papers and passports for their kids born in the UISA. They're doing this in readiness to move back to Mexico if a family member is deported. The children born in the USA are citizens but their parents are illegal.

The furor is by families of illegals and bleeding heart liberals. The solution for the illegals is to legally immigrate - solves everything and gives them documentation.

Funny thing - the Mayors and Governors in neighboring states were asked.."Since you are protesting Arizona's new law, are you willing to accept the illegal aliens from Arizona to your city or state?" As you might expect these pious and self-righteous fools backpedaled rapidly and made many non-committal sounds.

The protest has distorted the truth as usual

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GrowMoreWeed

Just out of interest, is it mandatory to provide ID if asked by the police? It is not (at least currently) in the UK (unless you are suspected of a crime at least).

Check out The Love Police for some amusing Police baiting/hugging.

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Daremo

If a policeman asks "who are you?" -- Most people pull out their Driver's license. Obvious since most people have contact with the police over some sort of driving infraction and the police need to know that all drivers involved are licensed.

You are not obligated to carry identity papers unless you are a foreigner who must have passport, visa or other entry documents and must surrender them to authority upon request. If, in the event of a crime, a policeman finds a person involved with no ID and no plausible explanation, he may detain that person until he either establishes their non-involvement and releases them or he must arrest them on some lawful charge. If arrested the person is fingerprinted (not DNA tested) to see if they match a known criminal. Depending upon the charges they may be cited and released to appear before a judge later or held until brought before a judge within 24 hours or less. The judge, depending upon the severity of the charge, will either hold the individual for trial and begin open legal proceedings or set a fine or other small penalty and set bail or other release conditions. The accused is also allowed to contact persons of his choice, family, friends or attorneys to notify them of the arrest and request assistance or bail.

It's not that Americans have to show their papers, because other than a driver's license - we don't have any. Most people can prove their identity in a variety of ways. When you go to buy something you pull out a credit card - that's a form of ID -- when you buy a controlled substance such as alcohol or prescription drugs you must prove that you're entitled to that item. It's not a police state as in Nazi Germany - it's just a sad fact of living in a large, heavily-populated technological state. No one knows who you are and you must provide an identity for goods and services. Oh locally at your neighborhood bank branch or local store the clerks know you and some formalities are bypassed, but by and large all persons must prove identity in some fashion to someone each day.

I cannot believe the UK is much different?

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GrowMoreWeed

The UK is not much different D, but it is getting worse by the day. The police are abusing Section 44 (the Terrorism Act) on a daily basis, using it as an excuse to stop and search and even detain people.

Most don't realise that you are not required to tell the police anything or provide any ID without good reason. We have all been conditioned to obey the police without question and accept the bullshit laws they keep bringing in "for our own good". Even private security guards are being given new powers - it's madness.

Here's a few video links which show you what I'm on about. Taking Liberties is about 45 mins long but it shows what we're up against.
Taking Liberties Since 1997 - Weirdly, I can only find the trailer on YT now.
Everything is OK
Charlie Veitch's experience at the G20 - Of course in Canada not the UK.
FEMA Camps - The USA doesn't escape either. There are preparations in place to arrest people en-masse.

More to follow.

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MrsMo

And in that sentence you have hit the nail on the head. Politicians everywhere are using their home brewed terrorism acts to reduce or eliminate personal freedoms. I become very disheartened not only by the politicians actions, but by the willingness of the populations to just take it without more than a token protest. I think Benjamin Franklin said it best when he wrote

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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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