UK police request emergency powers...

[Daremo]

The UK Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has called for new powers to allow police to tackle rogue websites, and make withholding encryption keys a criminal offence.... ...one section of the official release suggests amending part 3 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) with a specific offence of withholding a software encryption key. ...


... More contentiously, ACPO wants powers to "attack" websites considered to be purveying terrorist or paedophilic content. ...


... It is not made clear in what ways such attacks would be undertaken - a request for official clarification had not been answered at the time of going to press - but this could include a mixture of electronic methods such as hacking a website directly, launching a denial of service attack, or requesting that the relevant ISP removes the material or closes the account.

Now if this passes it will be impossible to keep data secret, even for corporations. Additionally how small a step is it from 'terrorist-like' activity to any activity deemed inapprpriate? Does this mean that this website or HackerHeaven is to be attacked by Scotland Yard? Here's the story --> http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4106

The spiral of fear continues to usurp our individual freedoms. 1984 comes ever closer....

[Kitz E Kat]

Well the government's just love to do stuff like this, and the terrorists give them the rational argument to do it.
The problem is not in the law itself but the certain abuse that will follow.
The term terrorist can be widely used.

Yeah D, your helping would be terrorists, in educating them, or potentially educating, them, or in some either voluntary or unvoluntary manner , which could be either forseen or unforseen be of help or assistance to those that may pose a terrorist threat.Therefore your site is a potentianl threat.
They are on the way with big baseball bat's :-)

[SyntaxHeir]

It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I love democracy... I love the Republic. But I am mild by nature, and I do not desire to see the destruction of democracy. The power you give me I will lay down when this crisis has abated, I promise you. And as my first act with this new authority, I will create a grand army of the Republic to counter the increasing threats of the terrorists.
http://syntaxheir.org/temp/palpatine.jpg

You can almost *feel* the war with Eurasia beating on the door, cant you?

[Radical Ed]

euraisa is not valid not on a map ?
dis where u from?
police here bad make us pay moneys to let us work our girls
some r ok
Thanks

[TreeFrog]

Wooww.. The picture is getting more grim by the day..

Is it not the right of a people in our "developed" world to criticize our governments.?

Is it not our privilege to bring about revolution if that is what we want
Is it not my right to say whatever I like about whoever I like. Well OK that one is over the edge of being Politically Correct.

It is one thing that attracted me to this site. The Idea that I could say anything. Others will perhaps say I am wrong but I can say it.. I fully support the right of someone else saying black people or Jewish or for that matter Irish are inferior.

I think you can guess I would disagree .. Us Irish are much better than the others, we have the black drink of the Gods lol

This is a shame. Our world, or at least what we thought was our world, is changing very fast. changing in ways we can only speculate.
You and me may never again know this world the way we do now. And we will forget just as we did other times.

I'm not saying doom and gloom but it looks a bit sad from here.

If you all want to run and hide some time.. well I don't know where you can go.. the FBI are in Ireland already.

The thing with systems is that they only get bigger. They only consume more and use more and require more from us. I'm talking about all systems, political ones as well. You cant do a restore to previous point and reboot. I don't know of another way.. I have no answer as such but it seems to work that way thats all.

The lasting implications may relax at some stage but the fabric is set forever.

Like the US having the right to carry guns.. good.. bad.. whatever it is there now. like most of the world driving on the wrong side of the road.. All Napoleon's fault.. after kicking the English out of France he made some changes and the US must have adopted them for similar reasons I expect. the effect is forever.

These Laws are no different. they will flavour our lives and the lives of our children forever.

Have you guys seen this.

http://pilger.carlton.com/timor

We the developed world have been assisting a rain of terror on others for a while now. Timor was an amazing example of Democracy. They were mostly Muslim too.. but that was not my point. ! The UK gave a very large number of Fighter plains and sold a large amount of weapons to Indonesia in exchange for a good price on Oil. Oh and the needed jobs to make the guns. Australia agreed too. and a few others like France etc. The Dictator guy shook hands with Margaret Thatcher and the Queen of England. The Queen . !!!! And then went off to get some Oil. Oh and kill some people along the way... ya almost forgot that bit.. Bet he did not say that at the press conference.. "Yes with these guns I will go and kill an exemplary Democracy. Thank you."

Perhaps it is our turn to terrorise ourselves.

Is anyone innocent. Nieve and without comprehension perhaps. "They know not what they do" and all that, but is anyone able to say they did not have a hand in pressing the button/pulling the trigger/turning on the gas. The people of the UK elected a government because they thought the government would create jobs and do what was right for the country. That is what the government did. Jobs. Got re-elected as well.

Oh but we cant talk about this now.. there are Eyes everywhere..
It is becoming like Singapore.
Four conversations you cant have in Singapore.
1. Racism
2. Religion
3. Politics
4. Sexism or male and female equality.

That is a large part of we what talk about every day. Oh except money and work.. Well that is most of what they talk about. Money and Work.

I tried some experiments on this.. It really is true.. No matter what angle you come at it from they make excuses and usually move off to talk to someone else.

That is where we seem to be headed. Very grim from this view.


Good luck.

[Kitz E Kat]

I don't think it's as bad as that Tree Frog , as long as there is Big Brother and such crap on TV, 99.9 % of the population will not notice a thing :-)

As for revolution , we don't do them things no more, well, unless it's made for TV and in six parts , then perhaps !!

[TreeFrog]

You said it Kits E Kat.
To the average Joe on the street, to the Man on the Number 29 bus.. (average man as defined in British Law) It wont make a bit of difference. We all want to be good people. we all want to be nice. we all want to fit in and feel socially connected and not isolated.
Standard group psychology. We will all toe the line.
Well except you and me who want to look at things a little bit more. We want to be able to say "FUCK THIS FOR A GAME OF SOLDUERS. THIS JUST IS NOT RIGHT." (no offence meant to those of a military background)

And now we are going to get scrutinised for doing so.

We as a people who are also the people that make the government cant trust the people to make the "right" choice so we make it simple and keep it tight. it gets tighter and tighter too. like a frog in a slowly heated pot of water. it never notices how hot it has become. Anyway it still has big brother and a TV to watch it so all must be ok.

Do you know why the queuing system exists. That is to queueing to get something in a shop. There is no law in this country that says you have to.
In the UK, our former colonial power, there was a time when the government was so scared of conspiracy and riots and such that they mad a law saying it was illegal to have more than 2 persons gathered in a public place. In order to facilitate the bus type service they made it possible to stand in a line.
Funny one that. Now we all toe the line..

Liberty and freedom and security... Someone had a nice quote on that.. who was it. ?
There is no changing the way things go. but I do not have to like it. I dont intend to get an ulcer from it but I do not intend to just shut my eyes either. I don't like
watch big brother.


Who knows what the Magna Carta says.?
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/magnacarta.htm
That is what the UK is pushing against at the moment


Teeefrog.

[Kitz E Kat]

Magnacarta, he got a race horse , right :-)

[SyntaxHeir]

TreeFrog I think the quote you're looking for is by Benjamin Franklin,

"Those that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety, will in the end, have neither."

Also, I would like to paraphrase A Brave New World,

"Liberty cannot exist while we are at war, or even close to being at war. In a never ending state of crisis, those who would seek to control us have all the justification they need to keep us *safely* under watch."

It goes something like that, can't find the exact quote.