Death And Dying

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Here is a picture I took in Montreal a few months ago. It was inside the crypt of the cardinals of Montreal. This is but one of many sarcophagi in the rather cold, but homey, chamber.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/bigbenjamin/montrealtomb.jpg
During the past year 20-some-odd fish died in my pond because of my stupidity. My dear kitty, Bitsy, of 17 years, was buried in the garden. My generous and comical mother-in-law also died, at age 85.

From day to day my feelings about my personal death change. What is death? Is it real? What do you believe? Any afterlife? Help me out here.

cheers

[Rikku]

Death is death, no more no less, once you die, that's it, no more, no afterlife, no heaven or hell...all these things are beliefs created by humans for comfort in dying...I could be wrong of course, but as far as I can see, it's the end of the line!

[Kitz E Kat]

I don't really believe in an "after life" or any such other theory.

When your dead , your dead, and that's it.

My take on all this is we are so smart we think we deserve more , we are a greedy lot!

Life is just not enough, we wan't more.

It's quite a scary thought, to think that this is it, there is no more, i envy to an extent, those that think there is more, as it make's life an easier proposition.

It also provide's a great excuse to do nothing, most people pass through this life , do fuck all, and because the wen't to mass on Sunday's , think they will go on to live forever!

It's an insane position to adopt.

I live, i will die, i will try to do as much as i can in the meantime, i could say what's the point of all this, get pissed off and commit suicide, but i would deprive myself of what little time i got.

Those that believe in god and idiology's are for the large part just sitting around waiting for the next life, i wonder what they will do when they get there ?
Sit around , waiting for the next one ???

The real problem is a pretty basic one. You try explain to Mary or Joe , why they have to work hard for little, in mundane jobs, for an entire life so they can create wealth for other's , and then promptly die and that's it, not an easy sell is it ? I was a sales man for many years, id sell ya anything i wanted to , but that would be a very difficult sell.

Much easier, to tell Mary and Joe this is only a transient point and if you do your thing you will pass on to the next one, now that's an easy sell.



They may even turn up on time for work :-)

That's just my two cent's , i could be way wrong !

[Rikku]

Couldnt have said it better myself ;)

[duder]

had a teacher once tell the class that religion was "mans search for god".. i had to raise my hand and disagree.. the way i see it, is that religion is mans search for the fountain of youth. it seems quite hard for some people to take in that once they stop breathing, their heart stops beating, and all those little exlectrical pulses going through their brain stops, that that's exactly what happens... it just stops.. that's it, no more.. done.. D U N, done.

you die, they bury you, and you sit in a box and rot. seems like such a waste, too. being put into a box. why not just toss people down into a hole as it should be? get some use out of all these corpses. good for the soil (not like what they were doing in WaterWorld though).

i've told people of my thoughts on this before and they always ask something like, "isn't that a pretty bleak outlook?" or "you're quite the pessimist, aren't you?"... i say to them, "not really, see, i think it would be pretty shitty to live forever, be it in 'heaven' or 'hell'.. that would just be boring and reptitive and doesn't give people much motivation to do anything good with their lives.. they think, if i pray and donate to a few charities, i'll be fine, i'll go to 'heaven' and live happily ever after. however, if someone is under the assumption that when they die, they're gone forever, then i'd think they'd strive to do anything and everything possible to make their life (and everyone elses) as awesome as possible. if the only thing that lives on is your legacy, how would you want people to remember you? as the quiet people who lived down the street and never did anything for anybody and lived a boring life? i wouldn't.. they wouldn't even remember you 2 months after you're gone.. me, i choose a different way, for better or for worse, but it's my way. any who would follow (or lead?) are more than welcome to join.

peace,

duder

[Rikku]

So kids, don't go wasting your life talking to the invisible man in the sky, get off your ass and make a differance! Do something useful that will benifit the next generation, dont just talk to that invisible dude hoping he will take you to his cushtie pad in the sky! It aint gonna happen I'm afraid!

[Kitz E Kat]

Do something useful that will benifit the next generation

That is the important bit , we could adopt the "fuck this we are all gonna die anyway so what's the point" kinda attitude , but we don't .

Funny , animals kinda do the same thing.....
Do they expect to go to heaven ? Not really , they don't have the big head's we have , they just try to do what's best ....

We are way to smart for a such a simplistic outlook.......

[TreeFrog]

Death..
That is a process not a moment.. You are doing it right now

Get over it and get on with it.

After life, no after life.
They only serve to give you a perspective. real or not there is little you can do ..
it seems at least that you are here now so do what you can and do it with consideration.
If there is an after life you need to be carefull now. If there is no after life then you need to get it right cos there is no second chance.

No difference really.
Get on with it and Oh ya enjoy, you might as well.

http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/filmtv/brian.html

[Kitz E Kat]

I guess we make for real tasty worm food :-)

There are many translation's of the "bible" mine is , live a good life , and you will go to your death bed a happy man/women.....

Be nice, help other's , it's all good , what's the problem with the idea that this is all there is , it's a pretty good deal to my mind , it's way better than nothin!

Let's turn this on it's head, what if this is it ................

Well ..........

You tell me , i'm happy , this is good for me , i've seen lot's of thing's, done lot's of thing's ,i know when i die i will still have a big list of thing's that i would have wanted to do and learn, but that is what make's life so great , you could live to be a 1000 and still not learn it all , yippie for this short crack at "life" .

I just have this fear of landing in Heaven, having to listen to a bunch of lousy harp players for ever , god , that's hell :-(

[Kitz E Kat]

That's very interesting !

Nobody in the above thread supports the view that there is any class of an "afterlife" .
It's been sitting here a few day's now, nobody here have a different view to us non believers ?

Any takers out there ........

[Rikku]

Nah, the idea pretty much sucks from my point of view, only religious wackos think there is an afterlife...maybe I'm wrong...again ;)

[Kitz E Kat]

Oh no, never make that mistake, just cos you and me think something don't mean it's right , there could well be something more , i doubt it , but there could.
Also , i respect people that do believe in something and put time and effort into it , you can't really just call them stupid, you leave the door open for having yourself being called the same thing.

We ain't right , we aint wrong, we have an opinion , that's all !

[Rikku]

I guess there is no proof to actually what happens...doesn't mean I'm gonna stop laughing at people that think they are going to sit on Cloud 9 though! Allthough the idea of re-incarnation is pretty interesting...I respect that view more than the idea of "be good or go to hell biatch!" if you see what I mean. At least with the idea of reincarnation you don't go to some fancy place in the clouds or the flamey core of the earth type place...meh, guess we will all find out one day!

[Kitz E Kat]

Reincarnation does happen, you die , little worms eat ya , they become big worms, bird's eat them, cat's eat birds, Korean's eat cats !

Holy shit i just had a nasty thought , some Korean dude is gonna crap me out in some years to come :-(

[Rikku]

If you are lucky...then think where the crap goes!! =p It seems like such a waste, a great guy like yourself getting shat out by some Korean guy! :p

[Kitz E Kat]

It's not all bad Rikku , i will then be gobbled up by a fish , said fish will be caught , and served up in a nice restraunt, some really good looking babe will then eat me :-)

Life/death, it's all good dog :-)

[Daremo]

Perhaps reincarnation is not so far-fetched. Let's examine that point for a moment....

You body works by electrical stimuli. Even your heart beats by a tiny electric spark sent down a gangilia structure called the 'bundle of hiss'. Your brain is a continuous firing of neurons. A veritable electrical storm of thought. Therefore the part of you that is actually 'YOU' is an electrical energy field.

This electrical energy translates into a field surrounding your body. A field of energy witch emits a distinct, but tiny RF signature. You are, in essence, a walking radio. Now this makes the theory of telepathy and other psionic abilities fall into the realm of 'concievable' from 'never gonna happen'.

It also makes us realize that the old physics laws of the conservation of energy applys to humans as well (maybe). Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed and since you are a creaature of energy, then 'YOU' can never be created nor destroyed.

Is it not possible, in a broad and far-reaching theory, that this energy field could not, at the moment of death, reach out and implant itself in a receptive host? A child in utero? A child about to be born?

Could it not be possible to record this energy signature and impose it on a blank recepticle, storing it, digitizing it perhaps on a massive hard drive until a clone body could be created and matured to a proper level and then 'copied' to the blank brain of the clone? Digital immortality? Would this be the 'real' you? Would the thus resurrected 'you' care? Would our loved ones care?

Is this energy signature the soul? Is it truly us? Would it matter. We could give life and another body to Stephan Hawking. What wonders could the truly magnificent minds of our society and culture create if we gave them more time in this fashion? Or would the gift of life be wasted, would the knowledge that eons lie before us stop us from truly reaching a pinnacle of greatness only acheived by those who know their time is short. Does the adage that 'the brightest candle burns the shortest time' really have meaning or would a great mind just get better?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Arlene]

This topic reminds me of a poem I herd once -cannot remember who wrote it- "life in death doth end, and each day dies in sleep" I remember reading it when I was about 9 and being afraid to fall asleep in case I died.
A lot of religions do not have an after life but an idea of what could happen, our essence gets absorbed into something greater and we loose all realization of ourselves, that there is no afterlife what so ever to going into a place where there is one hell of a party tones of booze, half naked servers and hash as far as the eye could see.... like it or not religion is based upon what an individual cultures desires, it is a product of a community. The problem is that north American and European cultures have lost this 'identity' and we are now stuck in vacuums wondering and debating over what is out there if anything because we have had the fortune of being bombarded with all these different cultural and religious ideals, but have lost the ability to process or make these ideas our own. The Romans would conquer and the first thing they did was dissect the faith and pick the parts that made them go 'hay no really your god is so and so and you ARE a roman off shoot, I mean my god how could WE have forgotten about YOU'.
End of the day, me I hope there is something as I would hate to think that the person suffering needlessly or stuck on the street, the starving, are stuck in those situations and that is all they are going to know. If a life is that hard it deserves an afterlife, getting the shit kicked out of you or starving to death should not be the only life someone should live. Me, I just hope I die in a nice fashion and in my sleep.
Cheers!
Arlene

[TreeFrog]

My matter of fact post it not my final answer.. it is just that I think most of this stuff serves only to put oneself in a particular perspective. That is all.
Most of the large institutions as far as I'm concerned are just that Large Institutions.. I have little regard for them except for the power they have!! the initial idea behind them is often amazing but that is a personal thing and it is rarely available through the institution. (another topic)

I like the flavour of Daremo's theory.
Though I would brake it up a little differently. There is a finite amount of energy in the universe. this is manifest in many different forms. Matter is one. Thought and even consciousness may be others!!

Every particle or bit of this energy has been here since the beginning and will be here for a long time to come (notice the side step from big bang theory.. it is another discussion)
Every bit of energy, I think it is reasonable to say has an element of consciousness. it is hard thing to define this "consciousness" but I dont see why an aspect of it cant be attributed to all "bits" of energy.

Just like that expression "ashes to ashes, dust to dust" I think it can be safely assumed that all the energy gets moved around and mixed up and that the elements of consciousness move with it.
A little bit like a cup of water being thrown into the sea and later part of it landing as rain in another place altogether. Round and round it all goes and it is all the same but every little particle that makes up each molecule of water has its own experience. this experience is an influence on everything else it interacts with.. you get the picture..

So In terms of reincarnation as a fully conscious copy of a former fully conscious person.. I'm not sure.. why not, but not so simply..

With this model (it is just a model like all interpretations) different aspects of one persons experience and consciousness should be available in someone else later on.

Unfortunately we humans have this amazing ability to blind ourselves to much that we feel we can not or should not make use of.. So it is lost probably form the age of about 3 on.

Just the model I'm hanging with at the moment. Subject to change at any moment due to presence of a beautiful woman and a theory of what might impress her.

NOT a chance.. lol

[=BB=]

Wow, Daremo, Arlene and TreeFrog, what a great thread you are weaving!
You all say things that are close to my own understanding . . and experience.
To fully realize this inter-being and energy/matter equality at all levels, that is something that happens to a few folks in the world everyday. Some work through various deciplines to make that moment of first-hand one-ness a personal experience. Others just fall into enlightenment by accident. As you guys are saying in your individual ways, this conciousness is all of creation and forever passing from shape to shape . . it is only the construct of self-conciousness or ego that forms a nervous barrier, a cloudy membrane between fearful ego conciousness and clear as the open sky perception.

I've spent almost 20 years with the same Korean Zen Master (Samu Sunim), and about the same amount of time with my dear friend and shrink, Freddy. Freddy is a mostly non-practicing Jew . . . really an atheist intellectual from Montreal. In the beginning I think Freddy was a little jealous of my relationship with Samu . . and when we were chatting about the nature of reality and I offered my understanding of inter-being and molecular recycling, Freddy said "That Buddhist crap all sounds like cosmic peanutbutter!" I fackin had to larf :D!

As regards our precious little egos, as soon as you enter the bone orchard - well here is a pic from the wonderful Mount Pleasant Cemetery:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/bigbenjamin/mntpleasant-2.jpg

one-way cheers?

[TreeFrog]

I posted this on another thread manly for Kits E Kat to look at.
However it seems more relevant here now.

I cant recommend this book more highly.
It is written very well and opens up a view I could never have had before on religious beliefs. It is not a bible or anything.. It is a story.. written from the Perspective of a Catholic archaeologist. It is not threatening in any way it just shows how things may very well have grown to what they are now.
One of the few book I could not put down and I'm a bad reader. I'm so bad I even have a theory that reading is pointless so this must be one heck of a book.

The Source ~James Michener
it is on Amazon.co.uk for £4 Sterling so even better in the US or Canada

after that this would be very relevant.

The Other Side of Eden: Hunter-gatherers, Farmers and the Shaping of the World ~Hugh Brody
it is on Amazon.co.uk for £2.95 Sterling.
Talks about the difference between two ways of looking at the world.. and shows that when inside one perspective it is very hard to understand another. It also gives unique insight into the world of the hunter-gather today. It is a little bit heaver but I felt well worth it.

Realy hope you can find a copy of the first.

[relik]

Oh no! Not this topic again... Haha I remember what happened last time.... Well here goes.


I'm obviously a firm believer that there is an after-life. Now in saying that, I have disagreements with all religions, including the one I worship. I think as long as your a good hearted person, and you do things for good and not for bad, then how could any god resist that?

I do think that the bible as we know it today (new testament and old testament) was handed down from generation to generation in different scriptures and could have easily been tweaked or changed a little bit, but the message is there, live your life as a good person and good things will happen.

I always tell people, alright, theres no after-life and you spent your life worshiping a God that doesn't exist, but you lived your life as a "good" person. As I'm dying, I believe hey come take me, I'm going somewhere awesome... I'm gonna die a happy camper, not scared out of my wits about dying. If thats it, then who am I to know the difference? Some say this logic is the truth, its mans way of giving meaning to life, to work for something better, that its all a sham. Hey, if it is, then so be it, I'll still better society through being a good person and making the best of my life. If theres a small glimmer of hope that hey, these millions of people really did see Jesus do all these miracles and he "did" claim to be the son of God, then who am I to say, thats all fake, its fiction...

I think all religions have their misdirections, and misinterpretations... If you don't believe in a God or an afterlife, hey whatever floats your boat, at least be a good person and don't bring the others down with you.

Off my spiritual kick, Daremo that was an awesome explanation...In my biology class my teacher did something I would have never believed unless I saw it with my own eyes.

Imagine everything emitting its own electrical signature, a cup of coffee, speakers from a car, the grass. Everything has its open electromagnetic signature that is specific to what it is.

Our teacher picked me to go up in the front of the class and lay down. He grabbed my arm and said resist as hard as you can as he pushed my arm towards my chest...I resisted as hard as I could. He then took a plastic container of water and tapped it on my chest, and let it rest there. He then pushed my hand towards my chest, it got weaker, noticibly weaker. He said "interesting, it should be getting stronger with water don't you think? I mean...Your body needs it"... He tried something else, he took an apple, tapped it on my chest and let it rest there. He again pushed towards my chest, and my arm was noticibly stronger, it wouldn't budge. He then took a can of gasoline, tapped it on my chest and let it rest there. My arm was very weak, very easy to push down. (Keep in mind my eyes were closed the entire time, I had no idea what was what). The last thing he put on my chest was some multi-vitamins from GNC, tapped it on my test let it rest there. My arm was strong, not budging. He went back to the water, put it on my chest, my arm was weak, very easy to move...

He then opened the cap up and took my blind folds off, I smelled the water, it was Vodka. His explanation was that everything in the world has an electromagnetic signature and our bodies can recognize this on that specific level, since in essence we are energy.

Pretty neat experiment, I thought it was BS until I saw it happen to myself.

ReL

ReL

[MrsMo]

I would have enjoyed being able to see that demonstration. Did the instructor tap you in the same place and in the same way each time? Were all the items placed on your chest in the same kind of container or could you feel a difference between say the apple and the container of water? What about the location of the item, was it in the same spot on your chest every time? I don't know about "inquiring minds", but nosey people definitely want to know :D

[relik]

Each item was wrapped in a sweatshirt, so I could feel maybe a little difference in weights depending on the water/apple but I could not tell what it was at all. Nor did he say anything to the class, he removed it from my chest and opened it and showed it to the class, and went on with the next item. It was placed on the same part of my chest each time, it was right below my neck by my heart. Seriously try it out, see if it works for you, he didn't even say lets see if it gets stronger or weaker he just said hmm it seems a lot easier to push, what do you think? I could noticibly tell the difference, it wasn't because he was pushing harder but my arm was actually "weaker".. The theory behind it is, your body can sense whats good and bad for you based on its electromagnetic signature.

ReL

[Radical Ed]

I know's people that are dead, and they aint saying nothin.

[SyntaxHeir]

All of this discussion of electric signatures and personalized frequencies reminds me vaguely of string theory.

Briefly, VERY briefly:
All matter is made up of atoms and atoms are made up of sub atomic particles [protons, neutrons, electrons]. This is all science we understand to be fact. The next part is the theory bit. If you break down the sub-atomic particles even further you get what are called "quarks". Supossedly quarks are little semi-circular particles that nearly form a circle, or a sting nearly looped back upon itself. [hence the name]

Now, it is said that each of these quarks vibrates at a certain frequency. A carbon atom would virbrate a different frequency than say a gold atom or a hydrogen atom. This gives rise to the theory that every atom, every substance, every collection of matter has it own frequency.

Couple this with the idea of a "resonant frequency" [resonant frequency is the particular oscilation of an eletrical circuit when it is tuned to be the most efficient. i.e. most output with the least loss of input.]

So every "thing" [for lack of a better word] has a resonant frequency at which it finds a harmony with its environment. String theorist posit there are certain materials and certain frequencies that "harmonize" with one another like chords in music or notes on a scale. A particular physicistby the name of Mitchio Kaku seeks to find the "master frequency" or the "theory of everything". A single frequency that would be "in tune" with every bit of matter in the universe. A frequency he calls "The Voice of God."

Anyway, after reading some of these posts it reminded me of that. What do you think?

I have always thought string theory might be the reason we meet people and we "just click" or we meet people and we almost immediately develop a dislike for them. Ever experienced something like that? Does it make sense that two people can be biologically "in tune" or so far "out of tune" they'd never get along?

[TreeFrog]

I like the post.. never had it explained so simply..
Ever see the movie "What the bleep do we know."
People interact and create a stimulation in the form of peptides. Peptides are the chemicals that are used by the body to generate emotions.
That is the picture I got from the movie in relation to people interacting.

[Arlene]

I liked reading todays posts but I need to ask the question, what is wrong with thinking there is something other out there? Like it or not we all have something we BELIEVE in, that we feel to be true. The question I have is how do we develop our ouwn beliefs in death and dying? I remember a class I took a few years agoe on the topic and we were asked to write an essay and present our earliest memory of death and how we explained it, mine was short sweet and got a 90! It was my grandfather and my uncle at the time used to tell me that the 'fox' would get my cats or whatever when they would go 'missing'. When my grandfather died he just said the fox got him (He was upset and trying to speak english and i think that is just what came to mind), oddly this shaped my idea of death. I believe there is a special thing/essence in everyone and thing that makes that thing special, I believe when it dies that thing is taken away from it by nature. But, each of us are able to remember that special thing about the person/object in terms of a memory. Everything has a quality about it, be it termed a soul or personality, and we can see these things leave a person/animal when it starts to die, it looses that spark that special something about it. But remembering it is a way of keeping that spirit alive and in essence alowing it to be reborn when we talk or remember. As for a solid afterlife, I respect people who have one and believe in it to any extream, to have this ability to 'know' that there is something out there for you is amazing as for me, my goal is to be remembered and if I luck out realy have a soul then I hope I get to go somewhere big. But, I swear if there is angels and little fat kids playing harps, I am going to be pissed.

A

[MrsMo]

The string theory fascinates me, particularly since if it is correct that means there are other dimensions beyond those we are capable of experiencing. Since reading about string theory I have wondered if that could be what happens with the energy that both animates us and makes us unique. Perhaps people who claim to see ghosts and other phenomena actually have an energy that resonates closely enough to one of these other dimensions that it allows them to catch glimpses of it. This still doesn't postulate a "higher/controlling being," just the real world at work.

(Borrowing from discussions I've had with D) Think of it this way - a 2 dimensional creature (a stick figure drawn on a sheet of paper is a reasonable analogy) can not see anything that is off the plane of that sheet of paper. It can't see the pencil approaching to draw a dot next to the figure. Just suddenly, there's a dot! (All hail the holy dot maker!) But maybe a shadow fell across our stick figure and they predicted the appearance of the dot. (Whoo-hoo, now we have a prophet!) They perceived an event that originated from outside their dimensional limitation. If energy has additional dimensions available to it, then perhaps some people are able to occasionally perceive energy from outside our dimensional limitations. Maybe once it's freed from the meat boxes we call bodies our energy has someplace to go?

[SyntaxHeir]

Fascinating!

Furthering the idea of the planar dimension perspective, do these planes all extend out from a single point of origin in all directions? Meaning, all the planes would never intersect or are there multiple points of origin where different planes all intersect one another at various points?

Is it at one of these crossings that we get things like deja vu or premonition?

Is the paper one plane and the pencil another? They come together at a particular point and both are subsequently changed.

If so this might explain the phenomena shared by some identical twins who seem to "sense" things from their sibling even when they're geographically separate. Also lends itself to the ghost theory. Are the deceased moved to another plane [dimension], which intersects with ours at various points?

What if they’re not planes at all? Keeping with the idea of a frequency, maybe they’re sine waves and maybe there is a logarithmic function out there waiting to be discovered that will show us how the waves co-mingle. We could then, using calculus predict the next intersection. Mathmetician/Medium at your service!

Think about two sine waves traveling along the same path but only during their peaks and valleys do they cross or connect. Various waves with different periods and amplitudes would come together more or less frequently depending on their similarities.

Whoooaaa… this is starting to hurt my head.

“Hey you, get off my frequency… errr cloud!”

[apologies to the Rolling Stones]

[Kitz E Kat]

That's all very interesting stuff indeed , thanks!
There is a lot to ponder there, i am almost convinced :-)

[=BB=]

A very thoughtful member PMed some reading suggestions along the general lines of this thread, and I offered these personal faves:

Key books in the area of "mindfulness", books that remain touchstones for me are: "Moon In A Dewdrop" by Dogen, edited by Kazuaki Tanahashi, "Big Sky Mind": Buddhism and the Beat Generation, edited by Carole Tonkinson, "The Heart Of Understanding" by Tich Nhat Hanh, "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind" by Shunryu Suzuki and two books by Roshi Philip Kapleau -"The Three Pillars Of Zen" and "Zen, Merging Of East And West".

"empty" cheers!

[Radical Ed]

In my countrie we get burned when dead dis is good cos we come back better
Thanks

[Rikku]

Riiiiiiiiiiight....ok....

[relik]

I've always believed that science could play a big role on how we were created and what happens when we die. I think science works hand in hand with proving there actually is a god. Sure there are contradictory theories, but again they are only theories. Maybe when we die our freq is moved to a different plane.."heaven" in our terms. I mean, it sounds simple to us in a matter of perspective, but tell that to someone in the B.C times and get them to understand it.

ReL

[relik]

Btw, posted a picture of me and mrs relik on the media gallery, its like 2 years old but im in the process of moving, so its the only pic i have


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[martianlaw]

It is also quite conceivable that the concept of an afterlife was created in primitive times as a form of control. I mean, 'eternal damnation' is a more effective deterrent than, say, 40 lashes, and the promise of eternal paradise has to be a major incentive to follow the laws set out by the powers that be.

Wasn't it Nietzche who said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to create one." ?

[Ultimatehacker1]

I think there is something after death.
Not that heaven and hell crap
-i don't believe in god-
But it's just that it's very weird that your soul or the thing that controls you ( so yourself) can go away. i think there is something but not that it's the same as here. It is not better. There is something after you burn or you land in a box. I don't wanna die in a box from beeing old. I wanna be shot or killed by an alien or a rocket launcher. Something heroic that i've done and i gotta pay for it. With my life.



This is what i believe.....
Cause this is my life..
Welcome.... :074:


:s-bluecap ;)

[duder]

I.... ..... everything he typed goes here

;)

welcome the new radical ed!!!!!

though being shot by aliens might be an interesting way to go, think i'd prefer not being shot... perhaps bludgeoned to death, but not shot.

peace,

duder

[SyntaxHeir]

Radical Ed *is* teh uberl337x0r hacker. Where have YOU been?

[TreeFrog]

drowning and freezing are two ways that interest me.. jumping out of an airplane has to be considered.
bludgeoned.. sounds too slow and involves others.. other people complicate it I think.

Where did our Mr Ed go anyway.. Where did he come from. was he a voice from the other side?
Just who had him as a second persona?


So many questions!!!!.. must live long enough to find the answers.. lol

[Rikku]

I think I scared him off :p

Oh by the way TreeFrog...did you get my SMS? Ive been having trouble with my cell phone network...

[Kitz E Kat]

I dunno, at a guess id say Radical Ed is selling sub standard Christmass lights for over inflated price's, making many moneys , or something like that :-)

[suicidal angel]

i pretty much beleive that when u die u blink out of existence. no thought, light, darkness etc.
i am toying whith the idea that when u die your existence after life depends on your beleifs. therefore i blink out. some heaven and that sort of thing

[Rikku]

I think you just fucking rot...dig someone up and see for yourself! I gotta say though, I did like the idea of the lifestream in Final Fantasy VII, ya know, when you die your soul returns to the lifestream, and then later goes back into new life...pretty funky idea!

[GrowMoreWeed]

Dying is just breathing out, breathing in, breathing out.........

[suicidal angel]

in a sense we are dead from the begining. once your born its a long drawn out process od dying. takes longer for some than others. lets give credit to the dead though. at least they dont have to put up with this shit hole we call earth.


EARTH:(

[Kitz E Kat]

While I have good reason to agree that this is a shit hole ( I'm pissed right fuckin off now, there is only one thing that can do that to me, women!), it is the only "shit hole" we have.
So make the most of the short life you have.
It ain't all bad, it's mostly OK, but it's the only show in town.

So yeah, I'm fuckin pissed off, but I got beer, kismet, ethereal, and a shit load of packet's to play with, she can go f*** herself :-)

See, I'm happy again :-)

[suicidal angel]

well i agree its not all bad. but in my life there seems to be more bad than good. ur pissed cus a female. brush it off. i just told a girl she wont be piised at me when one day she acts like this and theres an accident and i die.

[Kitz E Kat]

well i agree its not all bad. but in my life there seems to be more bad than good. ur pissed cus a female. brush it off. i just told a girl she wont be piised at me when one day she acts like this and theres an accident and i die.

Death is pretty final, you can't do it twice, only got one shot.
Shit I would hate to get it wrong, so I will be a wimp and hang on as long as I can !

[Rikku]

Didnt think you were the type for wasting time on women Kitz :p

[Kitz E Kat]

Didnt think you were the type for wasting time on women Kitz :p
The key word there is "wasting" , Oh yeah, I do that , a lot !
Bad habit, just get's me pissed right off.
I'm stickin with beer and packet's , your safe with them :-)

[suicidal angel]

dont waste time. i mean even if i think living sucks, it cant be as bad as spending eterinty in the ground. so we should all find the thing we enjoy doing and do it. me i used to enjoy a lot of things but the list continues to grow ever shorter.

[Kitz E Kat]

me i used to enjoy a lot of things but the list continues to grow ever shorter.
So your becoming more slective in what you do :-)
Need not be a bad thing !

[suicidal angel]

row row row your boat gently down the stream, you hit a rock crash your boat now your fucking dead.

[GrowMoreWeed]

While I have good reason to agree that this is a shit hole ( I'm pissed right fuckin off now, there is only one thing that can do that to me, women!), it is the only "shit hole" we have.
So make the most of the short life you have.
It ain't all bad, it's mostly OK, but it's the only show in town.
"The optimist is wrong as often as the pessimist, but he has alot more fun." - Anonymous

[Kitz E Kat]

"The optimist is wrong as often as the pessimist, but he has alot more fun." - Anonymous

Works for me dude :-)
I live in hope of having hundred's of beautiful girls in bed with me, one day it will happen, you'll see !

In the meantime, a beer and a smoke will have to do :-)