ScamBaiting woot!

[duder]

I've been spending quite a bit of time recently posing as a potential victim for various 419 Nigerian advance fee fraud scams. Some of it has been time wasted, but for the most part... well... THAT SHIT IS FUN!! You can get the scammers to do some crazy shit, along with feeding them stories that are just so fucking crazy, only a nigerian lad would believe them.

If anybody who doesn't know much about all this wants in on the action, you're just an email away from laughing your ass off!

peace,

duder

[Kitz E Kat]

Yeah that is a fun idea !
I have in the past replied to a couple of em just for fun :-)

I am sure everybody here knows of this site : http://www.419eater.com/html/hall_of_shame.htm

It's always worth a visit.

[duder]

yeah, 419eater is pretty good. i work mostly out of http://thescambaiter.com though. they got some pretty good tools for donating members ;)

peace,

duder

[TreeFrog]

Ok.. I'm not all together sure about all this just yet but I really split my sides listening to this. It's so funny.
http://www.419eater.com/images/martins_davis_050405a.mp3

I read this one
http://www.419eater.com/html/ben_okezie.htm

It all begs a question though
Perhaps because someone is a bad guy it is ok to rip him off.. Perhaps.
there is a poetry in it.. And I guess if you play with knives it is just natural to get cut yourself once in a while.
But something smells wrong about duping someone even if they are ripoff artists themselves.
It feels like a double standard even if there is hummer in it and a punch of justice for all the stupid fools they conned.
But then the poor stupid fools might never have learned to not be so stupid if they had not been fooled at some stage..

On the other hand it is very interesting to see how the social engineering works and the sorts of things you can work people up to do.. All you need is a tiny bit of vested interest from them and an understanding on how to leverage on it..

Something also struck me about the text.. in the one I read.. It read a lot like our Mr Ed.!!!!!

[Kitz E Kat]

No way dude, were talkin bleeding heart liberal shit here Mr Frog!
If some asshole figures he want's to have a go at ripping people off, then fuck him.
This is not entrapment, these maggot's started the process.
So whatever they get they are due with interest.

I would call myself a "liberal" in the US meaning of the word or "left wing" in the European meaning of the word, however I do differ from US Liberals and European Left Wing type's.

I have little sympathy for people that rip other people off, it's not the fault of society, that's bullshit, I never had nothing, I never ripped people off.

It's not the lack of education, I quit early on, but later educated myself, to whatever lousy level I am now at !

Nope , there are some people that are just plain bad nasty fuckers that would sell their daughter/mother/wife/whatever into prostitution for money.
These fuckers have no sympathy for nobody.

Your putting your sense of decency on these animals head's and coming up with a social justification for their actions where there is none.

Spare not a tear for these guy's , for they will shed none for you.

I am a vegitarian, I do not kill ( or want on my behalf) a cow or pig killed so I can have a poxy burger, but let me in a room without windows with these scam artists and oh yeah ...........

Pig / cow / sheep , don't deseve no mistreatment , never did me or anyone no harm, but these scammers will rob you of all you got .....

Roll out the gallows :-)

[duder]

@3Frog
Yeah, there's a very fine line to be tread, that's for sure. I must say, I don't really feel all that great about scam baiters profiting (this is what you were getting at, right?) from the scammers. That's kinda one of the *morals* over at thescambaiter.com that we shouldn't become that kind of scammer. It's more about wasting thier time, making them waste their money (at the cyber cafe's... on phone calls.. shipping.. yadd yadd) and all out just make them look and more importantly FEEL foolish.

@Kitz
yeah, as for the 419'ers themselves... fuck them. and an echo of everything you said. so again.. fuck 'em!

pretty sure i know how rikku would feel about this, but rather curious as to syntax and D's thoughts..

peace,

duder

[Teflon]

I also agree that these scammers deserve no sympathy, but profiting from them, well then you are no better than they are.

Also this is quite a good site, they are really good at humiliating the scammers:

http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/

[TreeFrog]

Not to defend the actions of a scammer, When you go down that road you are on your own. However I'm curious about the situation these people are in that puts them in a position of needing to do this. If they do "need" to do it at all.
As for a punishment to fit the crime..
At an extreme… I knew a guy once who said, of a murdering rapist who had been recently arrested, "He should be locked in a room without any sunlight and beaten and kicked 3 times a day, every day for the rest of his life".

Now while it is a most horrific thing to rape and murder people I do not see any forward moving development of the situation to have him beaten to a pulp every day. It might help deter other people at a very slim best but that is about it.
The same thing applies here... or not!!??!

My mind jumps to various angels on it.. I cant nail it down..

I sort of like the idea of being a scam baiter and profiting from it.
I'm not sure I like the sport and pleasure people seem to get out of it though.. It is a bit like a gladiator tournament and the audience saying KILL KILL KILL.

But setting ones self up to battle with wits against scammers is interesting. You are both in on the same game and with the same options available. But you are no better than them and there is no point in trying to hide behind rants about how bad they are. Shoot guns at people and you are the same as another who would do the same no matter what flag of ritchousness you fly.
The only thing you might say is that they draw first but you draw faster.


@Kits E Kat... Show me a business that is not based on ripping people off at one level or another. !
Economics as we use them today are based on it. It is necessary to have someone lose for someone to win. And since we all want to win... well except a few Buddhist monks.. everyone is a target. no one is immune.

It applies to Poker, Russian roulette, Banking, Prostitution, Being a Land Lord or a shop keeper…... Actually depending on how it is viewed Prostitution is about the only one I might take out of that list.. lol

If you are not ripping people off you are loosing out because everyone is ripping you off. You cant actually hold it against someone for doing it, as rude and sad as it is.

Now you and I might wish so very very much that it was not so. We might aspire and even feel that we are good people who do not rip others off... but that is the way we live.. If you do not wish to be included in that general statement then stop paying tax and stop all economic activities that involve other people, directly or indirectly.. !!

There was a time when it was considered by many to be dirty to deal with money. The mind set of that is very interesting to think about.

The only thing I can think of that makes it different about scammers is that people do not agree to be ripped off like they do in most other economic situations. Oh and they do not the awe inspiring might of a bank or tax collecting government.

oops a long one again. :fsniper:

[GrowMoreWeed]

I'm not going to comment on the rights and wrongs.
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not sure.
But here's one I read about today (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/04/iraq_419/). I think you'll agree it's new take on the 419.

[TreeFrog]

Ok here is my stab at it.. Have a read and see if you think I could make a good money cleaning scammer. !!??

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm a Big Badass Chinese gang leader with loads of scars. We have nuclear weapons and want to sell them over to legitimate government decommissioning program. We need the money to clear off some debts with some very ruthless Middle East business men. We think it would be preferable to not give them the weapons.

We need to store some of the money in your account for a few months. If you accept we will give you 15% and you will never see us again. If you say no.. well lets just say we have friends in lots of places and it is not fun when we don’t like you.
You might even be responsible for the Third World War.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[SyntaxHeir]

I don't have much to add but this threads reminds me of the p-p-p-powerbook scam.

It's a bit of a long read but had me laughing throughout.

http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

[Kitz E Kat]

I don't have much to add but this threads reminds me of the p-p-p-powerbook scam.

It's a bit of a long read but had me laughing throughout.

http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

That was awesome :-)

[duder]

yeah! p-p-p-powerbook was awesome. read it a while back. it's definetly a must read for anybody who buys/sells via the net.

i dunno 3Frog.. you might be coming on a bit too strong with that :P

here's my favorite bait at the moment (i've been working it for the last couple weeks).. http://badfoo.net/mubix_scam.txt a more 'colorful' version can be found at http://www.thescambaiter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8282 (dunno, you might have to register to see that one though). if you're familiar with the jerky boys, then this should be right up your alley ;)

peace,

duder

[TreeFrog]

Totally OT but look what Google just gave me.
http://www.fms.treas.gov/asap/feduserstrainingguide/entire.pdf#search=%22%22This%20is%20a%20private%20network%22%20unauthorized%20access%20and%2For%22

Powerbook is very good.. very funny.

[duder]

anybody still feeling sympathetic towards these fucksticks? if so, the ones i'm dealing with right now are about to let my character get whacked by the mafia (also my characters) just so they can make $1,000(US)... WTF?

honestly though, i suppose it's like a perfect situation for them... man pays them money, gets smoked by the mob, dude is dead so can't report 'em to the fbi, they make a 'clean' getaway..

so there you have it... these fuckshits will (in essence) "kill" for YOUR money..

FUCK ANY KIND OF SYMPATHY.... THIS MEANS WAR...

peace (never for 419'ers)

duder

[Kitz E Kat]

These guys don't waste any time !

Yesterday an article in an Irish daily newspaper carried a report of the Bank of Ireland's intention to refund Euro 160,000 to several customers who had lost money in a phising scam.
The bank's bosses had refused to refund the money, till a campagin by said newspaper, it's thought that the bank agreed to pay up to ensure people are not frightened of internet banking.
(It would seem that they are not obliged to, as the customer gave away the details , that's my read on it! , D you know anything about this ? ) .
There was some concern that this may actually result in an increase of phising scams on said bank.
One person was done out of Euro 49,100
Well guess what !

24 hours later, I get this email :

> Dear Valued Customer,
> Our Online Banking Security Team is carrying out a fraud prevention exercise
> on all accounts, to reduce and prevent Fraud on our online Banking system .
> All Verified Accounts will recieve a Special Anti-Fraud Protection, Which will
> reduce all risks of Online Fraud Upgrade Your Full Account Information .
> by click on Sign in to Secured Online Banking
> <http://biglistgames.com/vti/365online.Online-Account-Security-Upgrade/banking.htm> (http://biglistgames.com/vti/365online.Online-Account-Security-Upgrade/banking.htm)
> to continue to the verification process.
> (Remember Failure to verify your account details will lead to account
> suspension for security Reasons)
>
> Thank you.
>
> Online Banking Security Team
>
> Bank Of Ireland .
>
> © 2006 All Rights Reserved

Wankers !

[Daremo]

Most banks carry a disclaimer in their Terms of Service or Service Agreement that states that your UID and PW are 'secret' and that ANYONE who presents the proper credentials (UID+PW) will be granted access. Therefore the bank is blameless and the customer bears the cost if an unauthorized person uses proper credentials and steals your money.

This is not as harsh as it sounds. The person that was defrauded was the one to let out his credentials, either by responding to a phish or by doing risky things and getting malware on their machines or by using a foreign machine (hotel business center / freind's computer) to conduct banking business.

[Kitz E Kat]

Thanks for that D. Its kinda what I had thought.
What about the use of a digital certificate as an extra form of authtenticity ?
I don't do online banking so don't know that much about it, you have to have money to bank :-)

I do pay my tax online, to register for that was crazy.
I had to jump through several hoops, passwords were sent by snail mail the whole thing took a couple of weeks. They use in addition to username and password a digital certificate.
If they send you an email it only tells you that you have an email in your online inbox, it don't contain any details as to what it's about.
I can only log on using the computer that has the digital certificate.
Sounds a bit more secure, than the average online bank ????
Comments !

Off to work :-(

[RemyZero]

Scam Baiting, i think i have a new hobby :-)

The thing i find that banks fail to do is inform their NEW internet banking customers about the tricks that are pulled by fraudsters BEFORE they go online, and how to avoid these scams. In saying that, over the past few months my bank has stepped up and offered free antivirus subscription to its customers, not that that will help if the users send their details to the scammers....

Seriously, would any of us fall for such BS? and why is the answer NO? because we are well informed (self informed and by each other) about scammers.

If a bank fails to supply adequate material to educate its online users then is it not liable? or is it a case of "You own the gun, its your job to learn how to use it safely"

I think people should have to sit an exam to get a license to use a computer that will be connected to the internet, the amount of damage that can be done by a novice (usually to themselves) is worse than a gun.

[LoneWolf]

I like both 419eater and ebolamonkeyman. I particularly like how they get the scammers to send in pics of them holding signs that represent the forums (such as the "Trophy Room" on 419eater.com). Any of you read the full story on the guy who got a scammer to send him 80 bucks? It's hilarious, especially how the scammer falls for his crappy photoshopped pics.